but there are two big things. most damaging of all, he was pressed several times on whether he had had any conversations with all of his various contacts and friends at rupert murdoch's company in the u.k. about a $12 billion attempt to buy out the reminder of bskyb, the big broadcaster over there. this was a deal that the british government has quasi-judicial authority to approve or deny. all he could say is he had no inappropriate conversations. he kept using that phrase. frankly, it didn't sound like the members of parliament really bought that line. the second thing, a really explosive claim, that someone in the senior government, a senior government official had been hacked and bugged while andy coulson was there. these kinds of allegations are -- they just keep cropping up every day and it doesn't look like this kind of statement or investigations are going to end any time soon. >> yeah, we could be early in the game at the moment. michael, i want to play some sound from yesterday's testimony, what we heard